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How to Convert an Atheist Part 1

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Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... several years of debating atheism and theism, I have made an observation. Ask any believer what would convince him he was mistaken and persuade him to leave his religion and become an atheist, and if you get a response, it will almost invariably be, "Nothing - I have faith in my god." Although such people may well exist, I personally have yet to meet a theist who would acknowledge even the possibility that his belief was in error. Many theists, by their own admission, structure their beliefs so that no evidence could possibly disprove them. In short, they are closed-minded, and have been taught to be closed-minded. In light of this, it is ironic that atheists are often accused of being the closed-minded ones. Fundamentalist very frequently claim that we have hardened hearts, we are dogmatic and irrational, and that we reject God based on preconceived bias. Such claims result from psychological projection. Incapable of coping with the fact that there are some people who genuinely do not believe in their god, these theists simply deny that such people exist, and instead insist that everyone thinks the same way they do. Therefore, people who reach different conclusions than them must have some secret ulterior motive for not believing. This is truly ridiculous, but unfortunately, some people really believe it. Thus, in the spirit of proving that the atheist's mind is not closed, I've assembled a list of what I would accept as proof that a given religion is true. Also included are things that I would accept as circumstantial evidence of a particular religion's truth and things that would not be acceptable to me as proof of anything. While I do not claim to speak for all atheists, I would confidently say that any religion that could produce one of the things from the first list would probably gain a great number of converts. To be fair, I invite all theists to respond by preparing a list of things that they would accept as proof that atheism is true. If any theist prepares such a list please post it.The first category deals with things that would absolutely convince me of the truth of a particular religion. If shown any of these, I would convert on the spot. Verified, specific prophecies that could not have been contrived.If the prophecy is vague, unclear or garbled (like Nostradamus' ramblings, for example). It must be detailed, specific and unambiguous in its prediction and wording. If the prophecy is trivial, anyone could predict that it will be cold next winter, or that this drought/plague/flood will eventually subside. The prophecy must predict something surprising, unlikely or unique.If the prophecy is obviously contrived for other reasons, No official seer or court astrologer ever predicted that the king he worked for would be a brutal, evil tyrant who would ruin the country.If the prophecy is self-fulfilling; i.e., if the mere fact of the prophecy's existence could cause people to make it come true, The Jewish people returned to their homeland in Israel just as the Bible said they would, but this isn't a genuine prediction - they did it because the Bible said they would. The predicted event can't be one that people could stage.If the prophecy predicts an event that already happened and the writing of the prophecy itself can't be shown to have preceded the event.If the prophecy predicts an event that already happened and the happening of that event can't be verified by independent evidence. For example, Christian apologists claim that Jesus fulfilled many Old Testament prophecies, but the authors of the New Testament obviously had access to those prophecies also; what would have prevented them from writing their story to conform to them? The extra-biblical evidence for the existence of Jesus is so scanty that it is impossible to disprove such a proposal.And finally, if the prophecy is the lone success among a thousand failures, anyone can throw prophecies against a wall until one sticks. The book or other source from which it comes must have at least a decently good record on other predictions.These conditions, are reasonable, and are only what would be expected of a true prophet with a genuine gift. Scientific knowledge in holy books that was not available at the time.

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eydos (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Well some sources did say that regarding to the Thule group, yet I do not have reason why not to accept your definition of suprestitousness. For me its the same. After all my point was Hitler was a believer.
Chrysothemis (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Hitler did certainly not believe in any form of "paganism" (a bigoted blanket term for all non-monotheism). He and the nazis used the cultural heritage of Germany (although mainly by way of Wagner operas rather in its original form) to foster patriotism.He was raised as a catholic, but made some anti-christian comments in his final years that suggest that he was hostile to the faith, and may have been for some time.He seems to have been rather superstitious in general though.
seano770 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
you call me ignorant and immature and say that i do believe in a god but all im saying is that you should let ppl believe in what they want to believe in. but ya i guess cuz i am ignoant cuz i dont care what ppl believe, but your right i should be more like you and try to get everyone to join to be an atheist. fkn fag
zebrapik (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Hahahahaha, typical fundie response when you are faced with facts, "IT WAS THE DEVIL I TELL YOU!" shut up and accept that he was a christian.Now you say Stalin was an atheist? Funny enough he wasn't either, he was orthodox. So what if a christian nation invented that, the math they used with it is greek, all hail Zeus! And I'll bet most of the scientist on those project didn't have such a far fetched view on christianity. by the way, you are losing the tech race as we speak to atheist nations
eydos (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
This comment actually highlights the aeons old bigotry and dogmatic dangerousness of religious indoctrination. Your comment clearly shows malintent. The typical fundi christian who would gladly burn books in public, kill in the name of God with a bible in one hand (preaching love) and a shotgun in the other shooting everyone who disagrees. And you do this, because you are afraid, afraid that your hope might be false, and then all those egoistic fantesies of afterlife: dusted.
gmcjetpilot (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
NEW FLASH! SATAN was who he's hailing. Just because some one invokes God or Christian "POINTS" in propaganda doesn't mean they're Christian. 666 mark of beast is like "Trinity" but a deceiver. You're a lamb for the slaughter. Atheist argue Stalin, Pol Pot, didn't do mass murder because of atheism, IDIOT. So desirous to show relgion is BAD, holding humanity back. It's clear, greatest nation, super power, man on the moon, invented most technology & medical miracles is a Christian nation. DEAL
eydos (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Ten trillion flies eat excrement, does that mean that it must be tasty? Hitler was actually not an atheist, he believed in some kind of neo-paganism intermingled with christianity. That part about angry little dicks, big pricks and so forth are, as you also well know have no meaning apart from a puny attempt for an insult. It fails badly. By the way religion forbids sex before mariage.Meds? So anybody who thinks differently is crazy? This pretty much show how narrowminded, intolerant you are.
zebrapik (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Ahem, allow me to quote Hitler:"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.""It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth!"- Hitler April 12, 1922 speaking in MunichNow who's the idiot?
GODandPEACE (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
seano770 You claim to be an atheist but you sound more like a religious imbecile and an immature and frustrated teen who is still dating his hand and trying to get some attention but totally ignorant and incapable of putting a thought together. I am through with you loser. Peace.
seano770 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
ya but hitler got the idea of a perfect human from darwinisim. something atheist believe in strongly.evelution survivel of the fitest. and ppl werent even educated in the dark ages. we are now and im saying we should be allowed to believe what ever we like.

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